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Severa Crest Railgun Voodoo II	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:04:00 - [1] slow minnie ships 4TL, I hope this heap gets changed. PS - any other minnie pilots worried about the Hyperion?
Severa Crest Railgun Voodoo II	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:07:00 - [2] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Severa Crest Any other minnie pilots worried about the Hyperion? I'm only worried if it gets into range or lands 0.0km away from me, as I should be. Well if its lighter than the megathron, its likely it'll be lighter than the tempest - probably more in line with the phoon. And its faster than the Mega. And then arm it with Null ammo.
Severa Crest Railgun Voodoo II	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:15:00 - [3] Edited by: Severa Crest on 25/07/2006 23:15:28 Originally by: Sarmaul With a Cap Booster it's pretty much unbeatable until you run out of charges :P With the five slot tank, and a cap booster - leaves 1 slot for what exactly? Edit - thats IF it gets 7 mids. will be crap with arty, and crap with autos.
Severa Crest Railgun Voodoo II	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:28:00 - [4] Originally by: Aramendel Edited by: Aramendel on 25/07/2006 23:26:00 Originally by: Nafri you fit an active tank on a vagabound? And since when is a shieldtank automatically an active one? On the Maelstrom it will be, mind you, but so what? Cyclones work just splendidly with an active tank. Originally by: Valea Silpha ...Next against the abaddon... which is a choice between uber tank or uber gank. Im damned if the bloody ammar have a more versatile ship than we do. The only way you will be able to use an Abaddon as uber tank is if you use projectiles on it. It won't be able to shoot and tank if it uses lasers. Cyclone is the lightest and fastest ship in its class....
Severa Crest Railgun Voodoo II	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:31:00 - [5] Heres a quick thought. Give the pest another mid, 8 turret slots, and boost its stats up a bit and make it the tier 3. Then make a new tier 2, or promote the phoon and make a new tier 1. Something with some SPEED.
Severa Crest Railgun Voodoo II	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:34:00 - [6] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Severa Crest Originally by: Aramendel Edited by: Aramendel on 25/07/2006 23:26:00 Originally by: Nafri you fit an active tank on a vagabound? And since when is a shieldtank automatically an active one? On the Maelstrom it will be, mind you, but so what? Cyclones work just splendidly with an active tank. Originally by: Valea Silpha ...Next against the abaddon... which is a choice between uber tank or uber gank. Im damned if the bloody ammar have a more versatile ship than we do. The only way you will be able to use an Abaddon as uber tank is if you use projectiles on it. It won't be able to shoot and tank if it uses lasers. Cyclone is the lightest and fastest ship in its class.... in a class which is kinda pointless. There is no real need for Battlecruisers for PvP I agree, I was just pointing out how much less useful the Mael would be. The comparisons to the Cyclone make no sense when the Mael has such a big ass.
Severa Crest Railgun Voodoo II	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Valea Silpha Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Valea Silpha Its really not that much higher than a tempest in alphastrike, and as i say if it has to mount less gyros to shoehorn the guns on (remember it needs to get eight of them on) then the differance goes down. And it'll outtank the rest of the minmatar for sure. Becuase we aren't a tanktastic race. We're the speedyones, remember ? Well, personally i dont think a speed bonus on a slow battleship makes much of a difference. Minnie frigates/cruisers are great fun with their speed, but once we get to battleships, you cant really rely on speed to survive unless the speed bonus is massive. Try keeping a t2 blaster mega out of range and still within range of web disruptors. Cant be done. I can't really at the moment, and as the gallente get a new , faster, shinier blasterthron its even less likely it can be. Thats what i was hoping we'd get. A shiney, racing striped speed demon that can dictate range and compete against such things. I would have prefered an armor tanking missle boat or a double ROF DPS monster Indeed something different would be nice instead of just making bigger versions of the same ship.
Severa Crest Railgun Voodoo II	Posted - 2006.07.26 12:47:00 - [8] Edited by: Severa Crest on 26/07/2006 12:48:10 Originally by: Wrayeth In regards to the slow speed of the maelstrom, I'm pretty sure Tux is defining "slow" as "the same speed as the other races' battleships - 143m/s base with nav 5". Despite that "slow" speed, blasterthrons seem to do quite well, so I don't expect it to be too much of an issue. The rupture is described as slow and heavy for a minmatar ship, but it is still faster than any other race cruiser. The Mael however will be heavier than a tempest, therefore heavier than a blasterthron, and hence slower with a MWD. The whole point of having speed and the the versatility of autos was to get close to the amarrians to gimp their tracking, outrange the Gallente blasters etc etc. For this reason we had crappy dps. But now we have crappy dps and we are slower and less agile.
Severa Crest Railgun Voodoo II	Posted - 2006.07.26 12:50:00 - [9] Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 26/07/2006 12:49:05 Originally by: Turiel Demon Guys, I'm sorry but we realy shouldn't hope for more than 5 mids. If it has more than 5 it might actualy be able to make use of its bonus, and then it's gonna infringe on the Raven's territory. Actually, it won't. The raven does not hold the role of the ultimate shield tanker - in fact, it gets absolutely no bonus to shield tanking. It just has a slot and hitpoint layout that one could say massively favors shield tanking. The rokh is going to have shield resistance bonuses. The relationship between the rokh and the maelstrom will be like the Ferox and the Cyclone. Quote: Besides from that, this ship is already pre-gimped. It's too slow to use AC's, and anyway it can't possibly have the cargo hold for 8 turrets with a ROF bonus, plus cap boosters which it will almost certainly need to run an active tank with the new and improved longer-lasting combat. Well, I don't think the maelstrom is going to be any slower than the other races' battleships. As for the cargo hold issue, you may have a point, but we don't yet know how much space it will have. In regards to being intended as an artillery boat, I sincerely hope not. The blasterthron already outclasses the AC tempest quite handily, and now the hyperion will do the same, even moreso. At least one could try to maintain range against a blasterthron (usually unsuccessfully if the blasterthron pilot knew what he was doing), but that won't be possible against the hyperion - it will be faster and more cap efficient than the blasterthron. I fear that the AC tempest will be completely outmoded once the hyperion enters the game. That being the case, my only hope for my beloved autocannons will devolve to the maelstrom, as the typhoon can't fill the role properly due to lack of grid and CPU. This balance between Minnie and Gallente, autos and blasters is what worries me most about these new ships.
Severa Crest Railgun Voodoo II	Posted - 2006.07.26 12:58:00 - [10] Originally by: Blind Man rofl, you people complaining seriously need to fly a sleipnir and then say how much a shield boost bonus sucks. No problem with shield tanking. Just imagine command ships are much more common than they are now, then make the Astarte lighter and faster than the Sleipnir then you have my problem. I guess its not only an issue with the Mael though, it's the Hyperion too.

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